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Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.12 18:13:00 -
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tbh i think abit like the op even if he should be trolling. But nothing against suicide ganking to make a profit. The thing i have a problem with is that 7 catalysts can take down 1 good tanked hulk. That means a 20M maybe 30M fleet can destroy a 200M hull without big consequences. I dont talk about the fitting just about the hull, and thats where i think concord should lay a fine on them for the difference which automatically gets substracted and if the char cant pay it will either take it from another char on that account or put them in the red. But if that hulk would be fitted with a pith a-type medium shield booster that wouldnt be added to the CONCORD fine and the gankers could still make money out of their "profession". |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2014.01.12 18:32:00 -
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Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:tbh i think abit like the op even if he should be trolling. But nothing against suicide ganking to make a profit. The thing i have a problem with is that 7 catalysts can take down 1 good tanked hulk. Why not? The Hulk is the Exhumer with the lowest EHP, if you are in a situation where you must rely on others to protect you, you'd be better off in a Skiff - which can easily tank 7 catalysts.
im not a miner just to make sure. ^^ But rly why should i ever use a skiff in hs only because there might be some griefers who think just let us screw somebody over. Ok maybe a solo miner in a mackinaw would be the same maybe 8 cats to make sure it rly dies. My trouble is just the imbalance when the gankers destroy a expensive hull just for **** and giggles and lose nothing and have nothing to gain from it too. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2014.01.12 18:51:00 -
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Sipphakta en Gravonere wrote:Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:im not a miner just to make sure. ^^ But rly why should i ever use a skiff in hs only because there might be some griefers who think just let us screw somebody over. Let me get this straight: Shooting spaceships is now griefing? And of course you would use a Skiff when there are gankers active in the system you mine in - or you use any of the multiple other options to prevent ganking. (Mining aligned, having friends to rep you, griffin/blackbird alts etc) Quote:Ok maybe a solo miner in a mackinaw would be the same maybe 8 cats to make sure it rly dies. My trouble is just the imbalance when the gankers destroy a expensive hull just for **** and giggles and lose nothing and have nothing to gain from it too. Maybe they are industrialists that want to mine in the system without others "stealing" their ore. Or they produce exhumers and want to sell more. Who are you to decide that their way of playing the game is wrong? Surely if they don't gain anything from it they will run out of ISK and stop those unprofitable actions.
the first point i concur (with defense against griefers).
the second sry to disapoint but i play the game long enough to have known enough ppl who do that kind of stuff rly only for the giggles. They get such a great feeling out of aggressing a "defenseless" ship and improving their kb just for the fun. And that is by my definition griefing. My point is just that a police force like CONCORD should balance the prices (hull not fitted stuff). But as you are from goon and that being one of your standard mode of operation i will never get u to agree so i wish u fun with the way u play. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2014.01.13 02:48:00 -
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Sarah Stallman wrote:The underlying premace of EVE is that the place is not nice. "High sec" is hardly secure, it's everything CONCORD can do to keep it from devolving into open warfare. I mean, what government sanctions companies waging legal war against the others?
One of the most important skills to learn in EVE is how to stay alive. This thread is all from someone who doesn't want to learn that.
i never said anything against that. I just think that there should be a better balance as punishment. That excludes the fitting or the cargohold and only includes the hull. CONCORD is practically Police and extract an extra fine afterwards. But Concord should always exclude fitting or freight. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2014.01.13 15:33:00 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Dammit, are we really talking about 5 bil missioning ships? For real now, what do you need on your hisec boat that costs that much? I can understand faction damage mods, but where the rest of 4.7 bil goes?..
Golem as example. 1b hull (approx. production cost) + 4cn bcu units (approx. 400M) + 4cn cruise missile launcer (approx. 200M) rest should be t2 means it will be a approx. 1.65b ship. I dont understand ppl fitting their ships up to 5b. But everybody says mission ships shouldnt be so weak tanked, only way to make that reasonable means ccp has to drastically overhaul the mission system. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2014.01.13 16:11:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:Barrogh Habalu wrote:Dammit, are we really talking about 5 bil missioning ships? For real now, what do you need on your hisec boat that costs that much? I can understand faction damage mods, but where the rest of 4.7 bil goes?.. Golem as example. 1b hull (approx. production cost) + 4cn bcu units (approx. 400M) + 4cn cruise missile launcer (approx. 200M) rest should be t2 means it will be a approx. 1.65b ship. I dont understand ppl fitting their ships up to 5b. But everybody says mission ships shouldnt be so weak tanked, only way to make that reasonable means ccp has to drastically overhaul the mission system. They are ganking marauders as cheap as your example. Is still profitable a lot of times for them
and i said before that concord should fine suiciders for atleast the production cost of the hull (remember fittings would still be excempt). That would make a fine which will be equally distributed on all gankers parcipating (1b - suicided ship worth)/participants = fine. And if that fine cant be paid by that character it has either to be paid by another character on that account or he will go into the reds.
EDIT: or CCP decides to fully insure t2 hulls in hs. Which includes a passage that t2 losses are only covered in hs and when not at war. |
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